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From: not-2-disclose@the.net
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit, more incapabalities
Message-ID: <012500204110not-2-disclose@the.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 01:50:41 GMT
Organization: Sympatico
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
Hi Joe,
About "MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities" of January 1, 5, 7 and 18:
MS> I introduce myself, i'm a DOS_InterNet user and spent about the last
MS> two years lurking/participating to the same-name echo of the
MS> `FidoNet' amateur messaging network. Since the last four years or
MS> so i looked for DOS INet FreeWare/ShareWare programs in hope that
MS> i'd get my hands on some piece of software which can be run even on
MS> a minimum setup, meaning: - 8088 4,77 Mhz ~CPU~ - 640 Kb ~RAM~...
..
MS> TO UPGRADE THE HARDWARE OR TO SWITCH TO PROTOCOLS LIKE ~FTP~/~HTTP~
MS> *IS NOT* AN OPTION.
JRD> 486 and Pentium motherboards are basically free for the asking...
I finally read your messages (not just short spasmodic quoted fragments)
which you intended as a reply to my previous posts. Most unfortunately,
nothing you can write makes it to my news server; i called my ~ISP~ and
one of their clerck explained me that YOU PROBABLY ARE USING ONE OF YOUR
APPLICATION'S OPTION TO LIMIT THE PROPAGATION of your messages. If it's
true that you have too little time at hand then you will want to spend a
few minutes to verify your settings, unless you prefer not to trust such
assertion made by a Sympatico employee, euh... or maybe you just happen
to love spending time on perfectly useless replies, for the fun of it...
Or maybe, Sympatico is not important enough as an ~ISP~ (Bell Canada)...
In any case, those conclusions about some allegated rambling, jabing and
taunting shown me that the `ZMoDem' for `MS-Kermit' topic is a sensitive
one... Apparently, everything else that will follow is about as good as
a resume heading for the trash can. I meant no brag but i tried to make
clear that a number of efforts were done, previously to my introduction.
In a most similar fashion, i took great care in expressing my very basic
requirements... Most unfortunately, i goofed when i used the "ZMoDem"
word - which felt like casting a powerfull and ever-lasting spell...
My writing about `MS-Kermit' being more performant at DownLoads than any
DOS ~BIOS INT-14~ and/or ~FOSSIL~-capable terminal emulator also implied
that i've been trying my best for some time. `MS-Kermit's code may have
been built to be swift but my point was that little else (but `Conex')
seemed to have an INTEGRATED packet-driver interface & ~TelNet~ protocol.
Actualy, my opinion was that `MS-Kermit' has an advantage over the other
programs because it circumvents the need for a DOS ~BIOS INT-14~ and/or
~FOSSIL~ serial-port interface, not mentioning the requirement that it's
combined with a ~TelNet~ shim... Such topic is quite remote from any of
your comments on code swiftness; i merely refered to a speed limitation
which is a consequence of the ~BIOS INT-14~ and/or ~FOSSIL~ interfaces.
Now, if you want to hear about swiftness then i'll say yes, it's swifter
than `Conex v7.5' used as a ~TelNet~ client! But if you wish to discuss
stiffness, euh... just keep in mind that this sort of terminal emulator
DOES allow for `ZMoDem'/`Kermit' file transfers in ~TelNet~ sessions (it
too can be used with similar DIRECT packet-driver interfaces, actually)!
Also, i submit to you that some disservice has been rendered here when i
was told to forget about Novell's DOS ~ODI~/~NASI~/~NCSI~ interface: it
happens that the former Novell ~PPP~ pilots which are inside the Caldera
`DR_Web-Spyder' ShareWare will install on such a minimal hardware setup;
i'm just unsure if the ~NASI~ portion works on an `XT' but it's not that
big a ~TSR~, nor is `IPXODI' (they totalize about 63-72 Kb ~RAM~); if i
consider the use of `NCSI' instead of `NASI', that's 24-33 Kb smaller...
Moreover, many popular programs offer that interface: amongst those, we
find `Anzio Net v11.4w', `Communiqu� v2.10', `Deputy v3.09' and `Odyssey
v2.00'. An other terminal emulator which includes the very same feature
but no `ZMoDem' protocol is `MS-Kermit v3.16 Beta', of course... Maybe,
the use of the ~NASI~ interface would yield no advantage, or maybe your
assumption is wrong... As far as i'm concerned, i'm inclined to believe
that almost anything is possible until there's proof of the contrary and
i still haven't seen the least bit of a D/L cps figure to this day!...
I don't know what minimal installation will provide the ~NASI~ interface
for those fine terminal emulation programs. In any instance, i've got a
hint that this ~NASI~ ~TelNet~ server may be as good as the best of the
DOS ~BIOS INT-14~ and/or ~FOSSIL~ & ~TelNet~ shim setups and it would be
prematured to overlook this option until i learn how fast `ZMoDem' file
transfers can go under such unexplored conditions... Now, should you be
of the opinion that the scope of this ~NG~'s topic is incompatible, i'll
have to agree!... It took a heck of a time but i finally did read about
your denial regarding any future `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol for the
`MS-Kermit' terminal. OKay, i give up: nothing is negotiable there!...
The only thing that remains to be seen is as to wether or not we'll ever
find the latest `MS-Kermit v3.16 Beta 8' source-code anywhere on INet...
Yes, i must admit that i'm still a little bit curious about *THAT*! :^o
[...]
Advises regarding the macro were well taken. I don't see how the "- ;"
comments can be disrupting it since it seems to load fine but i'll try
to load without that extraneous part, if i find the time... In my mind,
the hyphen ("continuation character") affair was about another problem.
I also read the part about the "TOO MANY ACTIVE TAKE FILES AND MACROS";
may i add the "?Exhausted work space! Circular definition?" problem...
It's nothing the least bit as convenient as i'd have expected!... 8-o
To load a function everytime i'll need it doesn't really seem satisfying
since it's already loaded as it is! Why does everything work the first
time but fails at some point around the tenth trial?!... I may try the
"SET TAKE DEBUG ON" command to check things out but, in view of the late
events, it seems quite clear that i'll still need to have other programs
around and using `{Commo}' for doing the work of that macro makes much
more sense than trying to compensate for problems which are inherent to
some overlooked internal flaw, a flaw that's going to be there forever.
Maybe `MS-Kermit' didn't crash but learning that it simply never will be
made equal to the `Win 9x' version, in respect to a `ZMoDem' protocol,
euh... Sheesh! I'm the one to crash here!!! If that's money that your
friends are after, then lets just add it to the `Win 9x' package so that
the concurence from the `MS-Kermit' version will be gone! To deny USERS
a `ZMoDem' protocol (from the public domain) is an error - YOUR choice.
The same choices, i suppose, why your messages don't seem to reach to an
addressee, euh... But nothing, i'm sure, that relates to spoofy, a good
friend of goofy, himself a close relative to Jeffrey... %-b
Same thing for the ~IP~ port #25... Whatever you think ~SMTP~ can be to
us it's not your problem but the one of the user if he wants to use it.
It happens that nothing would be simpler for me to get the mail this way
(i already get the ~NG~'s articles in a very similar manner. Your logic
makes as much sense as to raise an interdiction on car driving solely
because there are dangers... But me i don't care a bit, i go by bus!!!
%-o
No is a short 2 characters answer, provided that it ever gets thru. %-7
Again, i have no choice but to regret your decisions, as i regret that i
had to invest so much time just to get it... Just like you've wrote it
yourself: "there are limits and this item exceeds them. It's my call".
Your call indeed... but a wrong number, professor!...
M. S.